Redmond’s Elver – is it related to Southwind?

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Elver sail plan

Steve Redmond’s Elver

Any resemblance seems to be accidental!

In response to my request for information about whether Chappelle’s intriguing Southwind had ever been built, today I received an email suggesting I have another look at Steve Redmond’s Elver. The email’s author suggested that the two boats might be very closely related, and that one might have been redrawn from the other.

The comparison is interesting. The Elver has something in common with the earlier Southwind design, including a flat bottom, fairly similar proportions, and sides shaped by a master curve. And both boats are better suited to day sailing than to extended cruising.

However, they are far from being the same boat:

– the Elver has relatively more no rocker where the Chappelle boat has a significant amount

– the Elver is lightly built and unballasted, while the Southwind is designed to be heavily built with many frames, and is certainly intended to carry ballast

– relatively speaking, the Elver has rather more freeboard than Southwind

– the Southwind’s widest beam is relatively forward of Elver’s

– and the two boats have different rig and cuddy arrangements

All in all, while the Elver is like a big dinghy with a lid (in the British English sense), the Southwind is a workboat-derived yacht, and it could be argued that each boat reflects the interests and background of its designer.

As if to eliminate any lingering doubts, not so very long ago at the Woodenboat forum Redmond himself made clear that his boat was not redrawn from Chappelle’s, and seems not to have known of its existence before it was pointed out to him quite recently.

Having settled that question, it’s clear we can’t assume the Elver’s performance is any sort of guide to that of the Southwind’s. Although various people have raised concerns about the stability of the Chappelle boat, even without making any calculations, I’d suggest that even with internal ballast a boat that lived in an area of reasonably light winds, measured 22ft in length with modest overhangs and was 8ft in beam might be expected to stand up to sails just over 200sqft much of the time. I’m quite sure, however, that it wouldn’t have the self-righting characteristics we expect from modern boats, however.

I have come across a tantalising link suggesting that Southwind has been built at least once.

In the meantime, intheboatshed.net readers may be interested in the following links featuring the Elver:

– Short video clip of sailing a home-built Elver.

– A tour of the same Elver.

– Another video clip showing an Elver boat building project.

– Photos and commentary about another home-built Elver, together with some reflections on the boat’s merits and some alternatives that potential builders might consider.

– Another Elver boat building project.

– The Elver builders Yahoogroup

– Elver plans from designer Steve Redmond’s site.

I should declare an interest – I’ve been harbouring an urge to find time build Redmond’s skiff Whisp for years, and have mentioned it once or twice on this weblog.

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Two new friends

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Aboriginal whaling craft used in North-Western America

I’d like to quickly point to site put up by two friends I’ve never met. The first is Bob Holtzman’s weblog Indigenous Boats, which focuses on boats outside the Western tradition, a subject that interests many boating enthusiasts. Bob has been a great pal – he’s the man who first asked me to write Ultrasimple Boatbuilding and then guided its progress through to publication. I’m not sure that every author of such a complicated book ends up feeling friendly towards his editor, but we never had a serious disagreement and I’m glad to say that some of the most important ideas behind the book came from him.

East Coast Pilot

The second link goes to Dick Holness’ site East Coast Pilot, which centres around the book East Coast Pilot – Lowestoft to Ramsgate, of which he’s co-author with Garth Cooper and Colin Jarman. The big news at the moment is that the second edition is out now in time for the 2008 sailing season – but in this transition period make sure you order the new edition rather than the old one. The link I’ve given above is the right one, but Amazon still appears to have some stocks of the 2005 edition.

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Howard Irving Chappelle’s intriguing small ketch Southwind

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Chappelle’s Southwind dory-sharpie schooner

Chappelle’s picturesque schooner Southwind

Howard Irving Chappelle was a giant among chroniclers of American vernacular boats and boatbuilding – his books Small American Sailing Craft and Boatbuilding are classics, but look out also for his books on schooners, speed in sailing ships and the development of the sharpie. His books are of wide interest far beyond America’s borders because so many small American sailing craft derived from the old world, as Chappelle makes clear.

Although they’ve been reprinted several times over the years, many of them are difficult to find and not available through Amazon – so if I hadn’t already got most of them I’d begin my search at Abe Books.

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Amid all the research, line-taking and writing he did over the years, it’s often forgotten that Chappelle was a practising naval architect who also found time for designing dinghies, cruising yachts and fishing craft. I’ve written posts in the past about his friendship with the British boatbuilding innovator Herbert Ashcroft, but today I thought I’d draw attention to his shippy-looking shallow-draft dory-sharpie ketch Southwind.

Take a look at the article and drawings at the Svenson website – there’s enough in this material to actually build the boat, and certainly enough to make a nice model.

I must say I’m intrigued. The boat makes a handsome picture, would no doubt turn heads anywhere and has a lot to offer shallow water sailors. But has it ever been built? If so, can anyone tell us how it performs?

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